Comments on: The Gradient of Failure https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/11/01/the-gradient-of-failure/ Archived version of TPL - Hosted by DetroitHockey.Net Thu, 03 Nov 2011 09:04:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.3 By: Baroque https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/11/01/the-gradient-of-failure/#comment-4725 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 09:04:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=5341#comment-4725 In reply to Naysayer.

There are floating disembodied heads on a graph with an X-axis labeled “amount of failure.” How could it be anything but a just “for fun” article?

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By: Steven Roxelle https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/11/01/the-gradient-of-failure/#comment-4724 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 06:43:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=5341#comment-4724 In reply to Naysayer.

If you don’t like it, don’t come back! Thank you for your input.

I also WROTE the article, sunshine, so I can read it just fine.

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By: Chris Hollis https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/11/01/the-gradient-of-failure/#comment-4723 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 04:29:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=5341#comment-4723 In reply to Naysayer.

Let’s be clear: there’s nothing objective about this gradient, especially if Mike Commodore is at a 9 because Petrella hates him for not coming on the podcast. Which, again, is clearly outlined in the text that corresponds to the gradient.

Also, there’s nothing that says salary doesn’t factor in to our individual ratings. Maybe it’s important to Disch, but not as important to me. The salary axis is there to serve as a reference point to the larger cap situation, since so many people correlate results based on pay scale. All we care about is feeling like the guys on the vertical axis are as far left as possible and any of the other lower paid guys are doing what they can to move left as well. How we get to that individual assessment is up to each of us, and we are all fine with that. Hell, we appreciate the comments and discussion that goes along with it too (even yours…bro.)

But again, you’re not reading this.

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By: Chris Hollis https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/11/01/the-gradient-of-failure/#comment-4722 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 04:19:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=5341#comment-4722 In reply to Naysayer.

OK, OK. I’ll come to your side of the fence and play. Let me put on my serious face…

For both Zetterberg and Cleary, the voting total averaged a 4.33 (two 4’s and a 5). In this very (un)scientific process, points probably carry about the same weight in our mind as hustle, intangibles and how well the visor is worn do. Plus/minus is an absolute joke (especially THIS early in the season), as evidenced by Riggy Shitbox leading the league after two games. That said, if we go solely on stats, Dan Cleary ranks just below Henrik Zetterberg at 10th on the team in points and both find themselves in the middle of the pack on the gradient. 

So essentially, the point production (one leg of your argument) jives with their position on the chart, plus/minus does not jive and would move them up in your mind, and our factor of effort, hustle, leadership and aforementioned visor wearing would offset the jump for (the meaningless) plus/minus. Thus, effectively putting them right in the ballpark of where they currently sit on the chart.

But what do you care? You’re not reading this, right?

Bro.

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By: Naysayer https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/11/01/the-gradient-of-failure/#comment-4721 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 02:24:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=5341#comment-4721 In reply to Naysayer.

At any rate, it strikes me as meaningless to create a salary axis if it has no effect on your “failure” gradient; doesn’t any objective, economic analysis crunch cost-benefit numbers? Anyway, this apparently was just a “for fun” article. I mistook it for a serious attempt at journalism. My bad.

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By: Naysayer https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/11/01/the-gradient-of-failure/#comment-4720 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 02:22:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=5341#comment-4720 In reply to Chris Hollis.

Oh, so Cleary’s 2 points (both assists) over 10 games and a flashy -3 worth of defensive play warrant his rating of 4. Whatever, “bro” (is that chill enough).

Nevermind, I just realized this entire article was a joke and I shouldn’t take it seriously–or read it, for that matter. Thanks for clearing it up.

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By: Naysayer https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/11/01/the-gradient-of-failure/#comment-4719 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 02:17:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=5341#comment-4719 In reply to Steven Roxelle.

Did you even read the article: “The gradient plots salary of the player against player failure.”

And, no, Conklin has not played well. But his salary-to-performance ratio is by no means worse than, say, Zetterberg or Cleary.

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By: Chris Hollis https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/11/01/the-gradient-of-failure/#comment-4718 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 01:55:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=5341#comment-4718 In reply to Naysayer.

We’ll be sure to plug that 8 into the next gradient. We’ll just put all four of our heads onto the 8 line, but since we get a vote for ourselves, i’m sure it’ll even out. That said, fair is fair (right?), so we think you should be on the gradient too. I’m thinking a picture of a big bag of dicks right on the 10 spot should do the trick.

Seriously, chill out. If you take this for gospel, you’re missing the point. It’s meant to be entertaining and 99% of everyone who saw this realized that. We’ll make sure they’re included on the gradient too. Don’t want to leave anyone out.

Also, this is a season-long, cumulative effort, which makes me wonder why you’re stuck on the last five games, given your multiple mentions of the Wings “not scoring.” I’d also suggest you read the text of the post regarding the Commodore rating, which would also enlighten you to the fact that HEY MAYBE THIS IS A JOKE!!! 

Finally, do you hate fun? Should we drop “fun” on the 10 line as well?

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By: Steven Roxelle https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/11/01/the-gradient-of-failure/#comment-4717 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 01:08:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=5341#comment-4717 In reply to Naysayer.

How much we’re playing someone isn’t relevant on the Failure axis, that’s why there’s an axis solely for salary. So Conklin’s salary is reflected up there.

Also do I state ANYWHERE that this is supposed to reflect the team’s performance as a whole? No, that’s what points and standings are for. This is a way to evaluate individual player performance in a graphic. I think you might have less of an issue if you actually read the text accompanying the image.

Putting Conklin at a 10 doesn’t mean that we’re blaming 100% for the team’s failure, and I don’t know how you interpreted it that way. We’re just saying that we think a .882 save percentage and a 3.37 GAA is not great. 

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By: Naysayer https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/11/01/the-gradient-of-failure/#comment-4716 Wed, 02 Nov 2011 21:38:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=5341#comment-4716 Zetterberg and Clearly should definitely be higher.

Conklin should be lower; the guy is nearly playing for free. Have you looked at our offense? Even when Howard is in net, we cannot score. When Conklin is in net, we canot score. In short, we cannot score. All our goalies are able to do is to REDUCE the amount by which we’re losing. It’s flabbergasting that our -backup- goaltender is implicitly being blamed for this season’s terrible start. Then on top of that you implicate a guy (Commodore) who has barely played with us. Yikes.

This gradient makes no sense if its intent was to connect this team’s performance to the individual player’s performance. I’d peg this article as an 8 on your “gradient.”

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