Comments on: Time to Flip the Investment? https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/08/17/time-to-flip-the-investment/ Archived version of TPL - Hosted by DetroitHockey.Net Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.3 By: Guilherme Calciolari https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/08/17/time-to-flip-the-investment/#comment-4501 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:54:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=4967#comment-4501 In reply to Actionshadow.

“I’m more worried about his being injury prone, than his consistency.  ”

You mean his post-five-goal stretch doesn’t worry you?

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By: Actionshadow https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/08/17/time-to-flip-the-investment/#comment-4500 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:50:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=4967#comment-4500 In reply to Josh Parylak.

True…BUT if you project out his totals in each of his last 4 years it totals out to 30 over 82 games.  It’s actually pretty remarkable if you do the math:
07-08 actual = 27 – projected over 82 = 30.75
08-09 actual = 34 – projected over 82 = 39.27
09-10 actual = 10 – projected over 82 = 30.37
10-11 actual = 28 – projected over 82 = 30.21

So even if you consider his 34 goal season to be the outlier, he’s still a 30 goal man when healthy.  Which is why I’m more worried about his being injury prone, than his consistency.   

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By: Josh Parylak https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/08/17/time-to-flip-the-investment/#comment-4499 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:36:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=4967#comment-4499 In reply to Actionshadow.

Except he’s only scored over 30 goals *once* and tops out in the high 50s for points. That is not a perennial 30 goal scorer. Find me a perennial 30 goal scorer and I’ll gladly pay him 4 Mil. If Franzen was actually hitting the numbers you’re giving him credit for we wouldn’t have a problem here.

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By: Actionshadow https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/08/17/time-to-flip-the-investment/#comment-4498 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:58:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=4967#comment-4498 Don’t be too harsh, guys.  $4 mil is actually a really great rate for a perennial 30 goal scorer.  Look at the other guys making that…guts like Jason Blake, Lucic, Horton, Taguay, Ruutu, Sharp, are all guys that are good for about 30 goals and 60 pts a year.  Now Franzen is good for 30/60, but has the potential for 45/90 if you ask me, and a lot of those other guys don’t.  I think it’s fair to say he’s earning his keep, even with his inconsistent play.

A top 5 pick is awesome, but can just as easily be bust.  Most teams are dying for a proven 30 goal scorer on their team, and hoping that’s what a top 5 pick will turn into.  HOPING.  And that’s in 5 years.  I’d rather have Franzen now to complement Pav and Hank at the end of their Prime years, then a rookie just coming into his own when they are all nearing retirement.  

I’m more worried about his being prone to injury than his inconsistent scoring and value at 4mil.

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By: Josh https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/08/17/time-to-flip-the-investment/#comment-4497 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:10:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=4967#comment-4497 In reply to Adam in SL.

Doubtful.  Nashville is not a fan of long term deals.  There’s still close to a decade left on Franzen’s deal.

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By: Josh https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/08/17/time-to-flip-the-investment/#comment-4496 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:09:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=4967#comment-4496 In reply to J.J..

Kinda wish we had done that this year.  Nugent-Hopkins or Larsson on the Wings?  I’d take that.

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By: Josh https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/08/17/time-to-flip-the-investment/#comment-4495 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:07:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=4967#comment-4495 Honestly, if we could get an even, horizontal swap, I would be fine with him going.  I love the Mule.  His antics in previous playoffs and that March where he spoiled Mr. Hockey’s birthday by breaking one of his records are memorable to say the least.  But if he can’t perform, he’s just a $4 million deadweight on the team.  He has the talent to be one of the top scorers in the league, he proved that after he signed the extension.  In the words of Drew Sharp (I think), “If someone could convince Franzen the regular season mattered as much as the playoffs, he’d be the best scorer in the league.”  Perhaps a change in scenery would do well for him.  And if we can move laterally to another power forward type, perhaps another one underperforming like Alex Semin,  I would not be disappointed.

Granted… you really can’t complain about the hometown discount we got with him.  $4 million for possibly the best scorer in the league?  Hell yes.

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By: Guilherme Calciolari https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/08/17/time-to-flip-the-investment/#comment-4494 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 02:32:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=4967#comment-4494 I’m okay with a trade, and of Franzén, Filppula, Hudler, he’s the second of my “DUMP HIM” list. At least Flip gives a fuch and is decently consistent.

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By: Adam in SL https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/08/17/time-to-flip-the-investment/#comment-4493 Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:07:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=4967#comment-4493 Everyone keep an eye on Shea Weber and the nashville predators. If nashville isnt in the playoff picture look for them to trade Weber in lieu of going back to arbitration. Dont be surprised if the wings are rumored to be in talks, and dont be surprised if Franzen’s name is mentioned as part of a deal.

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By: E33 https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2011/08/17/time-to-flip-the-investment/#comment-4492 Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:26:00 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/?p=4967#comment-4492 Franzen is worth a top player or pick right now, but if he is struggling by the deadline he won’t be. The Wings should have packaged him and Hudler and sent them packing to the Wild for Burns and Havlat this summer imo. I love the Mule as much as the next guy (especially with the Mulestache), but he just isn’t consistent and he’s injury prone. Going back to basic stock market lessons, buy low sell high, the Wings need to do that asap.

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