Comments on: Scuttles Saga becomes Nick Narrative https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2010/05/13/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/ Archived version of TPL - Hosted by DetroitHockey.Net Tue, 18 May 2010 07:24:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.3 By: Osrt https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2010/05/13/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2028 Tue, 18 May 2010 07:24:49 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/2010/05/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2028 ^Damn smart comment man. But I can't let the idea of King Lidas retiring seep in; my head would explode.

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By: Gabriel https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2010/05/13/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2027 Mon, 17 May 2010 20:58:17 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/2010/05/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2027 I'm with the group that says pay the man whatever he wants to bring him back, but honestly I think he's hanging them up. The thought is depressing as hell, and I'd like to say it's just the paranoia or the crack talking, but this just seems to be how he'd choose to go out…as quietly as possible. Waiting until the season settles and people are starting to focus on other things before he makes his announcement.

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By: Rob https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2010/05/13/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2026 Mon, 17 May 2010 18:34:25 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/2010/05/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2026 Datsyuk's gonna be the highest paid player on the team eventually, may as well start now. Every dollar Nick saves us is going to be crucial. I think Orst makes great points about how much money Nick's made in his career in hockey and elsewhwere. I'll obviously take him back happily at any price he wants, but if he takes ~$5M, I'll do fuching backflips. That would give us room to sign Homer (I think he'd take a 3 year, 1.8 mill contract). Then we just gotta figure out the best way to spend our remaining cap dollars towards our RFAs and maybe another bargain FA steal.

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By: Osrt https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2010/05/13/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2025 Sat, 15 May 2010 05:55:27 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/2010/05/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2025 I love King Lidas and would love to see him return at whatever number. However, before dismissing people who think he should take $6 mil or less as idiots, it might be worth noting that he has made nearly $89 million during his career, not including endorsements here and in Sweden.

http://www.hockeyzoneplus.com/salaries/2226

The massive paycut after the lockout is worth noting too.

But, compared to most of us, that's a lot of accumulated money and, knowing Nick, he has invested quite smartly. More importantly, he is a living legend and can dictate his future. As I've said in other spaces, I can imagine an Olympic matchup between Team Canada and Team Sweden with Stevie and King Lidas as their respective GMs.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that there is some merit to the argument all things considered. Personally though, as much as I want to see Nick (relatively) shaft himself to help make a championship run, I wouldn't be bothered if he didn't.

I've been a proTuzzi guy the whole season and think he has made a valuable contribution to the team. He was also really good in the playoffs aside from some undeserved reputation calls. I'd love to see him back and play with even more confidence and even more snarl as he grows to know and love this team. Actually, I think he's looking to end his career here and I'd love to see that happen.

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By: Misopogon https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2010/05/13/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2024 Sat, 15 May 2010 00:24:36 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/2010/05/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2024 Yeah, I'm ready to see Shetuzzi move on to the next trick. On the one hand, his history means you get a player of high value for not much cap space, which in a cap world is a big deal. On the other hand, his history means Chicago fans get called on to do the Eulogy for Yahoo's blog, see he's on the roster, and make that the reason it's okay for atrociously one-sided officiating.

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By: Andre https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2010/05/13/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2023 Fri, 14 May 2010 18:53:17 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/2010/05/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2023 MP,

This might put me in the minority, but I have nothing against him as a person, and under different cap-circumstances might have welcomed his extension. He would have also been my vote for the Wings Masterson nominee.

I just can't see the Wings justify keeping him over calling up cheaper high-upside youth / potentially getting a better deal on the FA market.

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By: Michael Petrella https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2010/05/13/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2022 Fri, 14 May 2010 18:35:44 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/2010/05/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2022 Andre, welcome aboard the Contuzzi Train. I've been engineering since Day 1 and there's always room for more.

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By: Andre https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2010/05/13/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2021 Fri, 14 May 2010 17:50:02 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/2010/05/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2021 Petrella,

In a reversal of my mid-to-late season defense of all things Bert, I couldn't agree more with seeing him go. I thought he did very well in the regular season (and even the playoffs), especially considering he and Williams were the FA scraps that Holland had to pick up after waiting for Happy's situation to resolve. That said, I don't see how he fits in next year.

After his December outburst, his production was mostly of the assist variety…which is ok, but not really what you expect from a slow, large bodied winger. Its difficult to judge his impact in his "net presence" role, but I'd have to say that Homer/Mule/Buckets are all better than he, despite his size advantage. Also, I don't think I've ever seen a guy who had a more difficult time remaining upright on the ice…well, ok there was Leino.

Given how quickly the potential 3mil in savings to be had by not resigning him or Williams would be eaten up giving raises to the RFAs, I don't see how Bert comes back at last year's rate, let alone giving him a raise as I've heard mentioned other-wheres.

Also, totally agree re: Nick naming his price. I tend to think though that one of the main reasons he'll come back is to wash the taste of last year out of his mouth. I've got to think that, to continue on at his age, Nick is aiming for nothing less than the Cup. To that end, I think he'll be realistic about what his contract means in terms of providing Holland the flexibility to build a contender. While it would absolutely be an injustice to see him not occupy the top spot on the payroll, I'm not discounting him offering to take less if he thinks it will put the team over the top.

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By: Baroque https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2010/05/13/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2020 Fri, 14 May 2010 11:28:31 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/2010/05/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2020 I would take Nick on the team for whatever salary he wants. Too long a list of players who are worth less but make more as it is; I read one goober saying that if he came back for about $4 to $4.5 million great, otherwise dump him and find replacements.

I have rarely wanted so much to reach through the internet and stab someone in both eyeballs with a sharp stick.

If he signs at around $6 million I will be both thrilled that he is coming back and impressed that he is taking a 20% paycut, because if you asked me to take that on the grounds that I had enough money already, I would beat you to death with pool noodles.

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By: Michael Petrella https://tpl.detroit.hockey/2010/05/13/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2019 Thu, 13 May 2010 16:47:02 +0000 https://tplarchive.detroithockey.net/2010/05/scuttles-saga-becomes-nick-narrative/#comment-2019 Miso, thanks for the Gator catch. I've edited the post.

I'm with you about Holmstrom. I think he's the best in the world at what he does and he'll probably take a smaller paycheck to do it (like he always has). Williams and Lebda are gonzo, as far as I can tell. I hope every day that Todd Bertuzzi goes with them.

For as much as I hear about Brendan Smith being NHL-ready, that's just not the Red Wings way. I feel like they'd put him in the AHL no matter what, because that's what they do. Not to mention the quasi-logjam on the blueline, which I think might force Lilja out. I bet Meech gets re-signed (or at least qualified) and used as a trade piece or the 7th defenseman again — because he's cheap and doesn't bitch about it.

Kirk Maltby wants to play next year, and it's unlikely the Wings will tender an offer (a playing offer, anyway). If there's interest elsewhere in the league, we might see him suit up for another team, which would be hard to swallow, but the man has a right to play hockey.

JJ, you and I are (SURPRISE) on the same page. There will be plenty of people who bitch about Lidstrom's salary if it becomes the highest on the blueline again, but they're the same idiots who scream about Chris Neil being the missing piece of the puzzle.

I absolutely won't blame him for refusing to take too massive a cut, and he'd be worth every single penny. People are forgetting that he was VIOLENTLY underpaid in his role for nearly his entire career. A guy that can do the things you've listed and constantly wins Norris Trophies would command the league max on the open market that he's never tested.

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